Endless Pajama Lark ([info]scratchtasia) wrote,
@ 2008-10-02 20:09:00
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Debate liveblogging
Sarah Palin already seems like she needs to take a breath. She's trying to cram too many rehearsed talking points into her answer.

Does anyone buy that "the fundamentals of our economy" referred to the American worker when McCain said it?

She thinks she's on the stump.

Obama raised taxes, she says. It's the specter of the tax-and-spend liberal. Biden disputes this handily, but I question the effectiveness of tossing numbers back and forth.

"I may not answer the questions" but instead drown you in a sea of words that are completely unrelated to the question.

Ifill takes control.

"Gwen, I don't know where to start." No kidding, Joe. McCain's health care plan is a disaster.

The cat is on my lap now.

"The ultimate bridge to nowhere." Good one, Joe.

THE cat is Allie. Allie is on my lap. Not one of the other five.

What question is Palin even answering now? Not the one on the bottom of the screen on C-SPAN.

Sarah Palin can't think of any promises she can't keep because she's only been at this a few weeks and hasn't been allowed to talk to anyone.

McCain did not put his campaign aside. What a joke.

The headlines are going to say that Palin performed better than expected. She's lowered the bar with those interviews. It's the soft bigotry of low expectations.

She's rambling about energy. In generalities.

"I don't want to argue about the causes" of climate change. OK, then just admit that most of the causes are human in nature. How do we fix the problem without dealing with the causes?

It's hard to type with a cat in the way.

Good, straightforward answer to the question of granting benefits to same-sex couples. Go Joe.

Palin says being gay is a choice. She's also afraid of changing the "traditional definition of marriage."

Obama and Biden do not support gay marriage. They're wrong. So are McCain and Palin.

"We will end this war. For John McCain, there's no end in sight to this war," Joe says. Palin doesn't know how to answer this. She's thinking of her talking points.

Maybe I'm biased (I sure am), but I can follow Biden's answers, while Palin's answers are scattered all over the place.

"Nukular," she says. Repeatedly. Ugh.

Sarah Palin reminds us that she has actually spoken to Henry Kissinger recently. She says other countries hate us for our freedoms. She sounds a lot like Bush.

Lola has joined us on the chair. Allie is still on my lap. Allie hisses, but Lola just stays on the arm of the chair. We seem to be OK. We're coexisting better.

"We both love Israel."

McCain as maverick is a myth, but Palin keeps repeating it. Biden is making the case that McCain's policies are the same as George Bush's. Good rhetorical use of repetition.

"Nukular" again. Ugh!

Bye, Lola.

Joe Biden can say "nuclear." Yay!

I am temporarily cat-free now.

It's Bob's turn to climb on me now. The problem is that he rarely sits still, unlike the other cats. He wants to crawl all over me.

John McCain = Dick Cheney. On the war anyway. Good point to make.

"John McCain knows how to win a war." He does? How so?

Palin sure likes that word "maverick."

Palin keeps claiming she's middle-class, but the Palins are worth over $1 million. That's not rich by Washington standards, but it's not middle-class. It's wealthy.

Now Bob is calmly resting on my lap and Lola is back on the arm of the chair.

"John McCain has tapped me . . . ". Sounds a little dirty.

Oh, now she's touting her vast executive experience as a part-time mayor.

VP Cheney has been probably the most dangerous VP in American history, says Joe. I'll say.

Palin invokes St. Reagan.

Joe gets emotional talking about wondering whether or not your kid is going to make it.

"Maverick" again. I hope nobody had a drinking game going on that word. They are trashed by now.

She's babbling again.

"Let's talk about the maverick." Yes, let's! He has not been a maverick! Joe gives plenty of examples.

Last question.

Sarah is all over the place again. I can't follow her. Blizzard of words.

Final statements. Sarah whines about the mainstream media that she hasn't even spoken to. Biden says this is the most important election we've ever voted in and makes a pitch to the middle class.

The end. The talking heads will take over on other channels. Palin gets away without any major gaffes but a lot of babble and talking points. She has exceeded the soft bigotry of low expectations.

But Biden did well. Biden wins. My humble opinion.


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The Original Maverick
[info]sunshine_burn
2008-10-03 03:21 am UTC (link)

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The ORIGINAL Original Maverick
[info]switchblade
2008-10-03 03:31 am UTC (link)

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Re: The Original Maverick
[info]mark72
2008-10-03 04:05 am UTC (link)

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Re: The Original Maverick
[info]myreccollection
2008-10-03 05:04 am UTC (link)
That Maverick is in too good of shape...I prefer this one:
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Re: The Original Maverick
[info]mark72
2008-10-03 05:08 am UTC (link)
Yes, and too green, and too much of a family car with fewer owners than wives of John McCain. John McCain is definitely a rusty, krinkled 2-door whitey coupe. Thank you for pointing this out.

Edited at 2008-10-03 05:08 am UTC

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Re: The Original Maverick
[info]myreccollection
2008-10-03 05:21 am UTC (link)
I'm hoping for the rusting out back in the grass part coming true, for McCain, as well. I was so happy when I google imaged it and this perfectly symbolic specimen came to my attention!

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the white flag of defeat = Michigan!?
[info]myreccollection
2008-10-03 05:16 am UTC (link)
It's really weird how incredibly awful she was. Sure, she was better than I thought she would be, but that was by keeping to the talking points she had rehearsed by the creek for three days (after their self proclaimed "Victory Rally" here in Columbus) and by her sheer avoidance of the actual questions. There will be plenty of ways that this will be spun and re-told, but I thought, over-all, it was an easy win for Biden. For one, he did answer the questions (aside from a few, where he answered and said "can I go back to..."), and you could understand his answers...on the other hand, I felt my brain melting just trying to follow where Palin was going with her answers. Aside from "the base" I'd be surprised if any others were moved by by her efforts.

Thanks for your insight. Lets hope both of our states pull through on this one (and congrats on your almost blue-ness!).

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[info]scratchtasia
2008-10-03 03:03 pm UTC (link)
Yep, she was lousy, and most of her answers were confusing messes of whatever talking points she could manage to pull out of her head. She might have slowed some of the erosion just by remaining upright and continuing to talk, but I think you're right--this performance will work mostly for her base, not others.

I think the usual formula is at work in Missouri--rural vs. urban. With a huge turnout in KC and St. Louis, I think we can do it. I'm hoping to find the time to volunteer in a couple of weeks.

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[info]gruscanadensis
2008-10-03 01:33 pm UTC (link)
I agree, Biden owned this. At times it was almost total word salad from Palin. The grammar geek in me would love to see some of those sentences diagrammed...

http://www.slate.com/id/2201158/

Oh. Thanks, Internet.

Also, I figured that this existed: http://palinspeak.com/

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[info]scratchtasia
2008-10-03 03:10 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for those links!

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my musical questions interview with sarah palin:
[info]myreccollection
2008-10-04 02:47 am UTC (link)
[[this is using the above palinspeak.com question-ator...it's kind of addictive!]]]

Q: how much is that doggie in the window?

PALIN: The interesting thing in the trade sector today.

My record of the Mideast.

Q: who wrote the book of love?

PALIN: I'm a feminist who, uh, believes in equal rights and I love her dearly.

I'm not one to believe that what President Bush has attempted to do this.

We have to protect itself.

Q: who makes the nazi's?

PALIN: In what respect, Katie?

Q: are you going to san francisco? will you be wearing flowers in your hair?

PALIN: Getting that nod was quite an experience, of course, that is not going to continue good relations with Saakashvili there.

So it kinda started with that.

Q: can i get a witness?

PALIN: They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in fighting terrorism also.

But personally, I would hope that's the word, yeah.

Yes.

Q: is that a bustle in the hedgerow?

PALIN: What I know is that we are on God's side.

The interesting thing in the hands of Ahmadinejad, nuclear weapons are not fully satisfied with all of them, any of them that have been blunders along the way.

There have trade missions back off.

Q: my name is sue, how do you do?

PALIN: Reform that actually happens is tough and you do ruffle feathers along the way, but it's what we're expected to do and what we're doing up there with the American taxpayer and 94 times he has embraced the ideal of the United States.

I have done in Iraq.

Edited at 2008-10-04 02:50 am UTC

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[info]scratchtasia
2008-10-04 03:25 am UTC (link)
This makes about as much sense as some of her debate answers, I swear.

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the soft bigotry of low expectations
[info]ikss.typepad.com
2008-10-03 04:45 pm UTC (link)
"the soft bigotry of low expectations" - what a great way to put it! I semi-live blogged during the debate, as well. Funny how similar our responses are to many things. Great minds, I guess... :) And one million dollars in Alaska is like four million in the lower 48.

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[info]scratchtasia
2008-10-04 03:29 am UTC (link)
I found and enjoyed your comments--we sure did have a lot of similar thoughts!

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